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“When we are in an unhealthy relationship, we end up making our partner our higher power and we lose sight of ourselves.” – Lindsey Ellison


Today I’m interviewing Lindsey Ellison, a breakup breakthrough coach, author of two books, and podcaster. She gives us some advice about all things narcissist and how to break up without being broken. Plus, she shares her personal experience with discovering her own higher power helped her stop treating a codependent relationship as one.


  • 02:26 How being with a narcissist for 17 years inspired Lindsey’s first book, Magic Words: How to Get What You Want from a Narcissist
  • 05:12 Lindsey explains the steps in her formula for persuading narcissists
  • 11:49 Always stop and make the goal of a conflict clear
  • 13:09 Identify magic words and phrases to speak the narcissist’s language
  • 15:04 What sparked Lindsey’s newest book, Blessons of a Breakup?
  • 25:40 How to escape codependency by channeling your own higher power

Connect with Lindsey Ellison:

Lindsey Ellison is a breakup breakthrough coach and founder of Start Over Coaching, Inc., a coaching practice dedicated to helping people navigate their divorce or break up. She is the author of the best-selling book, MAGIC Words: How to Get What You Want from a Narcissist, and her latest book, Blessons of a Breakup. You can find Lindsey on her popular podcast, Unbreakable You: Breakup Without Being Broken, Instagram, or on her website,

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  1. I would like to know the name of the center in Arizona that Leslie mention. Someplace called Mathos, mados, in Arizona.

  2. Hi Terri,
    I´m really thankful for your work and wise thoughts, talks, writings and discussions about psychological questions and relations. So far I have followed quiet passively. Anyway I have a question that you might have dealt with in a podcast? Here it comes: If a close person gives advice concerning your health, clothing ore anything else I´m thankful, I think that´s caring and thoughtful. I still do not necessarily follow the advice, I think that´s up to me. In this case, the advice giver get´s upset when I act according to my own thinking and not in line with the advice. She takes it often as a personal insult and says that I should take into account her feelings, Nearly every time. I find that extremely difficult to handle.

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