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“Narcissists look at a relationship with a codependent like oxygen. If a codependent is ready to break free, the narcissist will do everything they can to get them in the ring and sabotage that process.” – Ross Rosenberg


I am so excited for frequent-flyer guest, Ross Rosenberg, to be back on the show. Ross is an expert in pathological narcissism, narcissistic abuse, and attachment trauma. He is also the CEO of the Self Love Recovery Institute. 

We cover so much: Ross’s definition of codependency, why codependents and narcissists are attracted to one another, how to detach from a narc (Ross’s technique is called “observe, don’t absorb”), why narcissists try to induce conversations, love bombing, and so much more.


  • 3:45 Codependents and narcissists
  • 7:20 Ross’s technique for disengaging with narcissists
  • 11:20 How narcs sabotage defense strategies
  • 13:05 False power syndrome
  • 14:25 Induced conversations with narcissists
  • 18:10 Love bombing
  • 22:35 Do narcissists ever change?
  • 25:45 Ross’s definition of codependency
  • 29:45 Ross’s origin story
  • 34:00 Ross’s treatment program

Connect with Ross Rosenberg:

Ross Rosenberg, M.Ed., LCPC, CADC, is a global thought leader and renowned expert in codependency, trauma treatment, pathological narcissism, and addictions. He is an expert psychotherapist, educator, best-selling author, and expert witness whose pioneering contributions to the mental health field are responsible for sweeping theoretical and practical updates. 



YouTube: @rossrosenberg

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